OK the theists demand something logical.
Let's talk about something logical for a change. Let's talk about the word "create."
When we hear the word create, what does the first thing that comes to your mind other than "Creator" and the "process of being created?"
OK so a shoe maker is a creator (he create shoes) and working on making a shoe is the process of being created. So how do a shoemaker create a shoe? He used wood, glue, nails, wood, leathers... etc. In other words, he uses raw materials. He doesn't just say ABRACADABRA! TADA! and the shoe appears ex nihilo! No, no, no, no, no...
So the process of creation is just about rearranging existing materials. When you create a chair for example, you don't snap your finger and VIOLA! A chair appears. You create a chair by rearranging wood.
Can you give me an example of a creating process without any pre-existing raw materials?
